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Aimee (00:00):

Hi everyone. How are you? I am so excited to be coming to you live. I have a special guest that's coming on and we're going to talk about a special book that this guest has just released and we are so excited about it. It's called The Way of Fertility, and it's by my friend and colleague, Michelle Orvi. And let's see. I'm going to let her jump on and we're going to talk really specifically though, not just about, I mean the book's going to be involved of course, but really we're going to talk about why and how you get to know and understand that your body really wants to conceive. So let's add as a moderator, is that what I do? Or do you, oh, here we go. Sorry, I still get confused. So we're going to talk about all the ways in which your body wants to conceive and how to look for those ways, how to maximize those ways. And here she is. Yay. Hi. How are you? Beautiful. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Good. Yeah. You feeling excited?

Michelle (01:13):

So excited. Oh my God. So excited.

Aimee (01:16):

Yay. So beautiful. Beautiful. It's so beautiful. I love it.

Michelle (01:21):

It's got an amazing forward,

Aimee (01:24):

Right? I wrote the forward to the book. This is true. What did I say? Conception is less about what to do and more about how to be. That's right. The sentence says it all and that sentence is the primary reason you need to read. This book makes me emotional. I'll read this one sentence further. Michelle and I see fertility the same way. Fertility is not an on off switch, rather it's a state of health. And health is more than just your lab markers or your age. Health includes spiritual health, emotional health, physical health and nutritional health. Harnessing and shifting fertility is about small, consistent shifts. It's about your way of being in the way of fertility. Michelle captures the essence of how to be more fertile. So tell us about that, Michelle. Tell us about that because we're not just here to kind of promote the book. I mean, of course we want you guys to go out and read it because I think there's not a book out there like this. And so I guess what inspired you to write it and tell everyone about your current practice and all the things? Yeah,

Michelle (02:29):

Yeah. I mean, so very similar to you. I think that just like when you wrote, yes, you can get pregnant, you get excited, you start to do this work, and then you start to see really how the body responds and that the body is so intelligent. And then you hear about all the things that, the negative things that people are told that they can't do it. And then you're like, okay, there's a fire within you that says, no, no, no, yes, you can get pregnant. So I know that that was definitely your inspiration. And very similarly I started to, well, I love a lot of the philosophy of what we do in Chinese medicine and that it really, at the core, I always like to look at the essence. What is the essence behind everything? What is the essence that makes it work? And the bottom line is just look at nature. We have an incredible formula that is shown to us in many ways. We see it in sacred geometry. We see that sacred geometry, the Fibonacci sequence, all of these things, they really fascinate me. They're all in nature and they constantly reproduce themselves. And so that reproduction really is that fertility in life. And we are designed to procreate.

(03:45):

Our bodies inherently want to procreate. And when something is not working or if there's something getting in the way, there's a reason for why for I know this just as much as I do. And we get to do this amazing kind of work because it really is, it's based on Daoism, which means the way, which inspired me really to talk about this. But if you are living in accordance with the way that is when you have optimal conception, fertility, just really abundance. And that's when nature, nature reproduces. When it's abundant with vitality,

Aimee (04:22):

The cup is overflowing. That's how I always see it of I have enough so I can go in and make this child versus I'm just trying to get by. I am just surviving or I'm combating this other underlying condition, so I can't prioritize fertility right now. So it's about shifting you into that state of wellbeing that your body's like, I am healed, or I feel very vital. I have all the things I need and I can make this baby. So yeah, I mean obviously the core of both of our works and why we both are just such Chinese medicine junkies. So yeah, tell me, I guess we were talking with everyone here today about that your body wants to conceive. So I guess what are some of the signs and symptoms that you look for when you feel like the body isn't yet ready to conceive? And then what are the things you do? And I'm sure you covered that in the book too, but maybe we get into that a bit.

Michelle (05:25):

Yes, for sure. One of the things that I notice a lot is just, it's almost like energy efficiency in the body. When the body has energy leaks, I talk about that a lot because we can have energy leaks in a lot of ways, but one of the ways that we don't often pay attention to is when it's emotional because it's invisible. It's not something that we can look or easy, it's not an easy thing to measure. But sometimes having all of us have had this experience, when we get really emotional, we are zapped out and we can have that also low grade emotional draining, and it can happen like

Aimee (06:01):

That low grade chronic fight or flight kind of thing. Yeah,

Michelle (06:04):

Exactly. And constantly. It's almost like I always compare it to apps on their phone. Everybody can relate to this. Having a bunch of apps in the background, it's like constantly in the background draining your energy. And as we know, there's a reason why egg cells as opposed to other cells have so many mitochondria because it needs a lot of energy. Like reproduction takes a lot of energy. We know in Chinese medicine very, it needs a lot of blood and Q to reproduce. And that's why a lot of times after postpartum people are so depleted because so much of that energy comes in. That's why seeds are so important because seeds have all of that energy ready to sprout.

Aimee (06:48):

They're very fertile. Right? They're very fertile.

Michelle (06:51):

Exactly. So that is really what it comes down to is a lot of it's energy and a lot of people get zapped out and they don't realize that that's even happening. And that's where awareness comes in and that intelligence and really connecting with your body because your body's always speaking to you.

Speaker 3 (07:05):

Totally.

Michelle (07:06):

So even having boundaries, honestly, something as simple as boundaries and relationships

Aimee (07:10):

Support more than saying yes or only saying yes to what lights you up 100%. Let's see, awareness is your superpower. That's chapter two, right? So yeah, I mean, I think so much of the teachings that I have as well of just reconnecting to yourself, right? Hearing the conversation you have with yourself and the privacy of your own mind, but then also really tuning into how much I always say this, how much are you giving away versus keeping for yourself? And that's where that boundary has to come in of like, no, I need to preserve this or kind of keep it for me so that I have the resources. And so how do you think people can start to measure that?

Michelle (07:57):

That's a good question. I mean, it's incredible, but the body's so intelligent. When we're hungry, we get hangry. Emotions actually could can happen. You can have different emotions because your body's not happy. Inflammation. You talk about that a lot, how inflammation, inflammatory emotions can create inflammation in your body. Totally. And it's like this back and forth relationship. So when you start to feel better, and I do see that, so as you probably see too, when you are working with people, you start to see people enjoy themselves even though they're still without baby, they still haven't gotten the goal. And that is a big misconception that people think that if I'm on this journey because I've suffered this much, I'm always going to suffer while I'm on this journey. And that's not necessarily the case. It's a reframe.

Aimee (08:44):

You

Michelle (08:44):

Can actually thrive and you can be okay during this journey. And I know that sounds so hard to believe, but actually doing so will help you

Speaker 3 (08:52):

As

Michelle (08:53):

Well. So it's kind of like the cherry on top. So that's one of the things you just feel a lot better. And I talk about joy and connecting to the

Aimee (08:59):

Hearts. Yeah, the heart S connection. Let's talk about battle. I love that. That's my jam.

Michelle (09:05):

It's so amazing and it's such a beautiful, it's so eloquent and poetic. It's like this poetic aspect of our bodies. It's just gorgeous. I know. And I think that what's amazing to me is obviously part of that. I think of it as the heart uterus, brain connection, because HeartMath talks

Aimee (09:25):

About connect

Michelle (09:26):

Totally. The cure connection. It's incredible because we've been talking about this for thousands of years. What does the heart have to do with the brain? Chinese medicine has been saying the heart house, the brain, the heart houses the brain. It's like you follow the riddles. It sounds almost like that. And so now they're actually proving it and they're seeing it in measuring real time that the heart and the brain do have a connection. They have a very important relationship. As a matter of fact, the heart's more important than the brain. The heart has a much bigger electromagnetic.

Aimee (09:57):

Break it down for them. What the heart math or the heart brain coherence, what that means.

Michelle (10:02):

Okay. So then basically there's a coherence that happens. They measure heart rate variability, which means basically that the heart can go up and down based on circumstance and it can adapt. So it's like looking at stress. It's not removing stress that's important. It's more you adapting to the stress. So you could do that. Oh no, did I come back? I don't know.

Aimee (10:31):

Hello? Okay. Yeah, you froze for a second. Me. Yeah, there we go. You froze for a second. So you were saying it's more how you respond and adapt to the stress response.

Michelle (10:39):

Exactly. That is something that we can't control. We can't control the fact that the stress is there, right? That's not something like the stressors are there, but how you

Aimee (10:48):

Respond. Do you like to recommend the HeartMath monitor in your practice? Do you use

Michelle (10:51):

That? I do sometimes, but sometimes I'll just literally send the HeartMath exercises and just breathing through the heart and focusing on the heart center. Because ultimately that is what has been shown to improve heart. Heart brain coherence.

Aimee (11:07):

Do you have those exercises in the book

Michelle (11:10):

That I speak more about? The heart and the brain? I don't have those specific exercises in the book. It was something that I found kind of after. But I do talk about HeartMath,

Aimee (11:19):

So

Michelle (11:19):

I do actually discuss that may touch upon that a little bit. But it's basically really responding to feeling in the heart. And I do have exercises in the book about that. Things like meta meditation, which is loving kindness and connecting to that heart and cultivating, it's called cultivating loving kindness. Because the more you pay attention to it, the more you can cultivate it and it grows. So that is really important. So what they found was that higher heart brain coherence is linked to feelings of wellbeing and clarity, mental clarity

Aimee (11:55):

And that feeling of safety. And then the safety is what allows the conception, I suppose. Right?

Michelle (12:01):

Exactly. Exactly. So it's feeling safe in your body, and obviously that impacts your hormones in so many different ways. Totally. Oh no. Did I move? Am I good?

Aimee (12:17):

Sorry guys.

Michelle (12:18):

Sorry.

Aimee (12:18):

Okay, you're back.

Michelle (12:19):

I know. Am I back? Am I good?

Aimee (12:20):

Yeah, you're back. You're back. We only lost it for a second. But yeah, how that feeling of safety and peace and ease and that there is a direct impact on the hormones, especially the reproductive hormones. It's like that whole theory of is stress impacting fertility, which nobody likes to hear very. I feel like that's

Michelle (12:42):

Hurtful. I think the reason why people don't like to hear it is because they don't know what to do about it. That's right. Or I have to quit my

Aimee (12:49):

Job and move to some island in Fiji. Do you know what I mean? It's like, yeah, it's kind of impossible. Absolutely. So it's more about learning how to adapt, and that's what you really get into in the book, right?

Michelle (13:00):

Yes. I give the hows, I give the tools, and there's no pressure because there's, there's no way you could do this wrong. Even crying and feeling it out.

Aimee (13:10):

Totally. And

Michelle (13:10):

Being

Aimee (13:11):

In that space. I love that. There's no way you could do this wrong.

Michelle (13:14):

It's all beneficial.

Aimee (13:15):

Yeah. And so you talk about that too, of, what did you call it? What's the word? The magic of flow. But wait, I just saw it. Oh, the power of release. That's chapter nine. So that's where you're talking about feel all the feels. It's not about not having stress or not having negative influences. It's more about recognizing, creating that boundary and recognizing, oh, when I do that, I feel this way. What can I do to either protect myself, myself, or manage in the moment?

Michelle (13:49):

Correct. And it's really about shining a light on your whole life as a whole. And there's always going to be a beneficial outcome to that. And that's what we do as practitioners. We shed light to what is really happening in the body and the mind in every aspect of the person's being. We ask all kinds of questions, right? About poop, about sleep, about dreams, about just everything matters. And when you shine that light, it is like knowledge is power when That's why I say awareness is your superpower, because

Aimee (14:22):

You're

Michelle (14:22):

Simply shining light and then seeing what that is. And through that, that is when you have the opportunity for growth and an opportunity to improve the fertility from that aspect.

Aimee (14:35):

I love it. I love it. So yeah. So I guess in the book, what do you think are some of the real important pieces for women on the trying to conceive path? I mean, obviously understanding the connection between I think the heart, the brain, the heart and the uterus. And kind of honing in on that, creating healthier boundaries, understanding the power of release. So tell us more.

Michelle (15:05):

If I can just focus on one thing, it would be love. I love that because love is life giving. It is ultimately so powerful. They've even found that elevated emotions and intention combined is what really creates manifestation. It's the emotion. It's that energy of uplifting emotions. And so having that love and love doesn't mean being happy all the time. Love can actually look like self-compassion, allowing yourself to cry and take a day off and just snuggle inside in your bed and kind of curl up. It's really about that compassion, that being there with yourself

Aimee (15:45):

And forgiveness, right? Love is forgiveness.

Michelle (15:48):

Yes. Yes. And so it's really so healing in so many ways and it's life giving. And I talk about all of that. I talk about how important love is early in the years. And I say that it's important for babies. It is because they cannot survive without love.

Aimee (16:04):

That's right.

Michelle (16:05):

So why wouldn't love also be important for conception?

Aimee (16:10):

Of course it is. Babies are made out of love. I feel like that's one thing I love to say too, and it doesn't, even talking about women going through fertility treatments in IVF, it's like love doesn't just mean in the bedroom love or that you have to make love to make a baby, right? It's really about the intention around it. And yeah, I guess the energy you're giving it, right? And the energy you're giving yourself while you're creating the eggs. Even if you wind up doing IVF, right? Or the sperm,

Michelle (16:43):

I often say send your embryos love while they're growing in the Petri dish because we know that quantum entanglement is a thing, and you are for sure entangled with your own cells. I mean, it's in your body. You're totally entangle your own DNA, which really holds information. So I think we're scratching the surface, but we're going to get to this point where that becomes mainstream,

Speaker 3 (17:09):

That

Michelle (17:10):

We are entangled and there is an energy and intelligence that is way more vast than we realized.

Aimee (17:16):

Well, just like we realized a decade, maybe it's 15 years ago now, about epigenetics, right? Forever, we were told your genes are set in stone. These things are genetics. There's nothing you can do about it. And now it's like, oh, actually 95% of diseases are not inheritable. You might have a predisposition, but how you live your life, right, totally dictates whether they turn on or turn off. And Chinese medicine has been saying that for thousands of years. And I think it's the same thing that there's starting to see now, the brain connection. We're understanding, oh, antidepressants actually treat IVS. Why is that? So it's this really interesting connection, and I think heart rate variability is really being used by a lot of more of the functional medicine, like biohacker type doctors, the regenerative medicine curve. Totally. They're looking at that heart rate variability stuff. And so I do agree the science is catching up to these theories and these phenomenons that it's so much more than just physiology, if you will, or maybe chronology maybe is a better way to put it. And it has a lot more to do with our day-to-day and our feelings and their impacting. We also know that from, I talk about that in body belief as well, the placebo and the no SIBO research is really clear.

(18:43):

The mental, the belief systems play a tremendous role in how the body heals. And you get into that a lot in your book as well, which just fell on the floor. Let me grab it. It fell when you started saying, can I say one thing? And it was love. It literally shot off my left. There you go. So

Michelle (19:04):

There's a sign.

Aimee (19:05):

There's a sign. Yeah. So on the back we talk about as a transformative guide to living in accordance with your innate state of harmony in order to reawaken your fertile potential. And so I think this is just a great bedside read for anyone on the journey to, especially I find, and I know you find too clinically because you and I talk clinic stuff a lot offline, that the emotional piece is kind of the hardest to tap into or the hardest to harness. So abstract. And so you actually are giving them very tangible tools to connect

Michelle (19:49):

And

Aimee (19:49):

To become more aware and to awaken that fertile potential.

Michelle (19:53):

Yes. And I'll tell you, I mean, I think a lot of us we're in this field because it's impacted us in some way, or we've learned a lot how to navigate our own world. And I've made so many changes to myself. I mean, when I was younger, I used to suffer from depression. I know a lot of this because I've lived it. And I also had regular menstrual menstrual cycle. So I know that a lot of it was all interconnected. And I also discussed that in this book, I'm a product of infertility, secondary infertility. My mom struggled to have me thought she was going to lose me multiple times during her pregnancy. So those are all things that I've learned over the years.

Aimee (20:35):

That's in your DNA too. We know about that, about ancestral, what's passed on to us. That's becoming clear in the science as well. That's not just out there. Oh, ancestral trauma. It's like, no, this actually what happened when you were in utero is impacting you a hundred

Michelle (20:51):

Percent. 100%. And I think that working through that I feel like was, this is my calling. I can say that with 100% certainty. I have done a lot of work to get here and personal work myself, just my own transformation. I have people say, I can't recognize you. You are not like this. Meaning I wasn't, didn't have my shit together. I was a mess when I was younger. And they were like, oh, you're different. And it's all work that I've done, and I figured out ways to do it where it's easy cut through, let's get to it. I mean, what works, what doesn't? Let's not waste time on what doesn't work. What doesn't work is telling somebody relax. No, that's

Aimee (21:33):

Not work. That doesn't work. It's really about syncing up and kind of really understanding. And so I guess if we were to say from a scientific perspective, this book is really about regulating the nervous system, isn't it? Right. And about,

Michelle (21:47):

Yes. Yeah, it's huge part. Yes.

Aimee (21:49):

Huge part. And we're seeing that as, and I think we always have from a Chinese medicine perspective, but as a leading part in this, even when it comes to digestion, if your nervous system is not regulated, you're not going to absorb 50% of what you're eating or the supplements we have to regulate first to then be able to receive even our nutrition and our supplements.

Michelle (22:11):

Oh my God. 100% so true. And it really is your nervous system is your ability almost to understand information. Because think about it, it's almost like the conduit to information

Aimee (22:26):

To receive and energetically to get and stay pregnant is to be in the receiving mode. And so that's really what this is, is getting into the receiving mode.

Michelle (22:38):

And I think that it's so unconscious. We don't realize that we could be in the kind of acting going out of the way to do things. And that's okay. That has a place, that's the y energy, the doing. We absolutely need to do that. We have it for a reason. It's necessary. Sometimes we can get lost in that though.

Speaker 3 (22:55):

And

Michelle (22:55):

Sometimes it's important to go back into the yin and call in rather than run after. And there is that balance.

Aimee (23:04):

We talk about the masculine energy, like all the doing, all the taking supplements and all the things, which of course we support and recommend, but it is very much in the masculine checking the boxes and what we're inviting most of our clients, and I just had a call this morning, which is we ended the call with me really, as I would summarize, I invited her into her yin, I invited her to come back home to, what would you do when you were pregnant? How would you raise these children? Is this the energy you want to bring children in with? And it was stunned her. She was like, oh. And then what she said, she goes, this is exactly why I am doing this work. She was so excited. Like, I need this reminder because I'm so masculine in my day-to-day life. I'm so masculine in my approach to fertility right now.

Speaker 3 (23:51):

I

Aimee (23:52):

Need to be reminded. And for us, it's like we're calling you back into your divine feminine,

Michelle (23:57):

Which is a hundred percent. And I think you and I can both agree, we need to be reminded. I coach with you, you coach me. Even the coaches need coaches. I have coaches. There's nothing wrong with needing to be reminded. So that's what I want to say is that that is the beauty of really connecting with other people that we're not islands and that we can receive that from other people, from other perspectives.

Aimee (24:22):

Totally.

Michelle (24:22):

So beneficial.

Aimee (24:23):

So someone just asked, how do you call in? So I'll let you answer.

Michelle (24:29):

Okay, so I love to use this. Okay, so a lot of times, this is a saying that I heard. Prayer is talking, meditation is listening. So when you're listening, you're able to receive.

(24:42):

And sometimes listening looks like just listening to your body. Sometimes listening could be calling in by saying that prayer and allowing yourself to receive by observing, watching, being the watcher, being the observer. You're always taking in information. So when you're training yourself, that's why I love meditation. It's practicing listening. And the more you practice, the easier it becomes. At first, it could feel very foreign, and at first it could feel very jarring because you're all of a sudden aware of things that you're like, oh crap, this is not fun to hear. But it's important to just sit with it and have faith that you can handle sitting with it.

Aimee (25:28):

I love that. And you offer meditation style things in the book as well, right?

Michelle (25:34):

I do. I have lots of meditation exercises, sometimes balancing the yin and the yang. Receiving, releasing. So

Aimee (25:42):

You have call-in meditations in the book. So I think Lucy, this is where you start of working on that. And then the book is available now for sale. Tell me it

Michelle (25:51):

Is.

Aimee (25:52):

I'm forgetting

Michelle (25:52):

It's out. It's Amazon, it's there Kindle version. Really all the places. iBooks, like Ile version.

Aimee (26:03):

And it's funny too that Lisa Miller gave an endorsement and I just got into that book, the Awakened Brain, and it was so funny because in my head I didn't know until just the second that she endorsed this book as well, that I was reading that book and thought of your book. I was like, oh my God, this is what Michelle is talking about. And I'm fascinated with that book. And that's another one guy's work. It's like, what I like about Lisa Miller's work too, is it's highly scientific and it's really correlating the importance of spirituality to longevity, to happiness to health. So I think it's also really backing up what you're talking about from a fertility perspective that we're putting ourselves, the more spiritual we get. And you don't have to be religious to be spiritual. And the spiritual is really about being connected and kind of believing, not kind of believing in a connection to, if you will, we would call it the heavens in Chinese medicine, but to the spirit, to the guidance that surrounds you to the wisdom of your body that is in psychological research, really showing a connection to less depression, longer living, healthier, happier living. So I don't know if you want to talk about that a little

Michelle (27:22):

Bit. Oh, it literally rewires your brain. Your brain looks, they study the brain and it looks different for people who believe in a higher intelligence. And you could say just higher intelligence if you want to say. Because if you're more kind of analytical, I always say it's a higher intelligence. What do you think runs yourselves? I mean, how do your cells know what to do?

Aimee (27:44):

How does your heart know to pump every single second of every single day?

Michelle (27:47):

Yeah, there was a saying somewhere I heard that scientists at first become atheists until they really get into the science and then they believe that there's a higher intelligence fight.

Aimee (28:00):

That was me just watching the body. I was a hundred percent an atheist, a hundred percent. And some of you might judge me for this. I was raised in a Catholic family. I looked at Catholicism and thought a bunch of hypocrites more because of my family structure and what it was. So I'm not judging that all Catholics are hypocrites. But what I witnessed, I was like, what is this? And then went through that period where I was, I used to say, I'm agnostic, not atheist. That was my joke. And then got into more of the spiritual side of things. And now, I mean, you'll see me at church, you'll see me praying you, I'm back and I am proud of myself that, but same thing I was, you're back scientific

Michelle (28:37):

Brain on your own accord. You're back from your heart. Own that.

Aimee (28:42):

I got reconnected, I was disconnected, I was judging, not rightly so. I thought it was hypocritical. And that was my judgment. I had to actually, I did a lot of forgiveness work, which really got me back to heart center. Anyway, that's my sharing. But I think it's really true in that world of highly analytical people where, and I think we see that a lot though too in fertility is because especially if you're on the hamster wheel of fertility treatments or going to the doctor, everything becomes so scrutinous. Everything's about your labs, everything's about your entro follicle count and your A MH and all the things and how you're performing, the analytics of it all, that you get completely disconnected and you think it's all beyond your control. And so I feel like that's what we really do is we bring women back home, come back home to your body and to start, and maybe we do that through diet, I want you to start to listen. How do you feel after you eat that? How do you feel after you do that? But even more, what does your inner intelligence tell you? And it's like, no, I'm going to have this baby. Okay, alright. So let's stay connected to that where we can. And I think that's really what you're helping women do in this book and partners.

Michelle (29:55):

I do have a story. So I have a coaching client who was doing all the things. She was taking all the supplements, doing everything. When she first met me, her body really responded against doing IVF. And it wasn't forever, it was for that time. Now she's actually ready, it's like three months later. However, she had an old Dutch test, and this is when she was taking all the supplements, doing all the right things. We work mostly actually on mindset. There was one thing that we did was remove gluten, but her oxidative stress lowered and it was dramatic what we saw. There were other dramatic changes, her metabolizing of estrogen. And I was like, that's interesting. I wasn't, because she already had all this stuff. She worked with a nutritionist before. I was like, the only thing really extra, the main thing was the mindset and the meditation. She started meditating 20 minutes a day. And to me to see that, it was just unbelievable.

Aimee (31:01):

Well, and just so you guys know who aren't familiar with the Dutch, we use the Dutch, it's a urine hormone analysis. But there's these organic acids that the last sheet of the Dutch that they test your B12 and your B six and all these things, and they have an oxidative stress marker. And I use that marker as a sign of egg quality. And you probably do too, telling me how much oxidative stress, which is basically aging rusting in the body, how much inflammation and how it's impacted the cells. And so the lower the number, the better on that test. And so same thing, it's the first thing I go to when I do a Dutch, I go to the back and I'm like, what's your oxidative stress marker? So that is, that's phenomenal to see that decrease, especially as she got older because she's months older. What science tells us is the opposite. You're only going to get worse with age. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no. Actually that's not true at all. Yeah. Oh, I love that. That's great. And so TBD, right? Is she going to start IVF now, but in a much better space and she doesn't

Michelle (32:01):

Receive those hormones. Better be pregnant. We'll see. She's going to check her pregnancy tests. This was the first month that she felt like completely free mentally, and she didn't, it was like she surrendered. She feels so happy. She still doesn't have baby, but she's happy. I see her and she's like, I just feel so good.

Aimee (32:19):

It's happiness on the way. That's the goal. There's more vitamin J's,

Michelle (32:23):

Na or IVF, I'm. Okay.

Aimee (32:25):

That's good.

Michelle (32:26):

Yeah.

Aimee (32:27):

That's the open to receiving though too of even what that, I think Lucy was your name who called, how do you call it in? I think that's the part of it too of, I always think of Deepak Chopra of between point A and point BB. There's a million ways to get there. Your only job is to be open to the possibility of getting there and to be open to, there's lots of ways I can get there. Instead of saying, this is the only way I'm working so hard. And really focusing on the grit versus focusing on, there's so many ways baby's coming and I'm along for the ride in a sense and going to enjoy my life as I'm along for the ride

Michelle (33:05):

And you deserve it. And I think that that is where the self-compassion comes in, because love yourself enough to give yourself that break, that joy, that moment, that love, that caring, that nurturing mother yourself. Right? Start with mothering yourself.

Aimee (33:22):

Start there. Well, and I do, I mean I think that's a lot of it is when we're working with our clients is just seeing, and there are a lot of to-dos, right? And I think I always say, and I'm at fault too, I give a lot of to-dos to my patients, but it's more about maybe compartmentalizing them, but also starting to see it as instead of thinking like, oh, it's so hard to do this diet. It's like, oh, I really enjoy this meal. That's what my homework assignment to one of my coaching students yesterday was, I want you to just go through the book and highlight the recipes that excite you. That's where we're going to start. What excites you? What do you want to cook? And so yeah, someone said, self-care is hugely important. I mean, it really is. It's also, and for some women it's easier to think about it. How will I be as a mother? Or how will I treat my body when I'm pregnant? And so to start that mentality in preconception versus I'm going to do that when I'm pregnant. No, no, no. You're going to do that now.

Michelle (34:23):

Yes. And a friend of mine, Clarissa Brion, she actually was on the fertility journey and she also does coaching. And she mentioned something that I use all the time now. I mean, you're literally mothering your cells already. Those cells that are supposed to be babies eventually are already in your body by loving yourself, you're loving your cells.

Aimee (34:44):

I love that. It's so true.

(34:47):

And to think about that energy you want to bring through, right? If we also know a lot about the impacts that we have when baby is in utero on the future of their lives, I think that's another really, that should, should be such a motivating force for so many where it's like what I do now impacts not just my child, but my grandchildren. And so even if that child isn't here yet, even if it's not in utero yet, your actions now, and we know that scientifically, that's not something we've made up or hasn't been shown. Someone said, I really enjoyed your page and followed, well, thank you Sarah, but to think more macro versus micro versus I need my FH and to increase my A MH and I need, you know what I mean? My ant follicle comes solo. Big picture, that super micro, right? We want big picture. We need one egg guys, one egg. So think about it like that. And the child's palace and the uterus, connection to the heart, all of that. I mean, that's what sold me on Chinese medicine. I still remember the day and where I was, where was like, sign me up. I'm going to this school. Yes,

Michelle (36:04):

I'm a medical school dropout. It's official dropout. Yes. It looks at the body in such a eloquent way. So it's so poetic. It brings the spirit to health. There's a spirit to it.

Aimee (36:16):

Yeah.

Michelle (36:17):

I love that.

Aimee (36:17):

Agreed. I agree. So tell everyone where they can get this beautiful new book The way of fertility. Yay. Yay. Matching. Oh, let's take a picture. Can you hold that up? I'll screenshot.

Speaker 3 (36:29):

Okay.

Aimee (36:29):

Can do it. Lemme just, and we'll post.

Speaker 3 (36:33):

Yay.

Aimee (36:36):

Okay, awesome. I'm doing every tip you are giving. I just know it's going to bring the rainbow baby. Oh, well Sarah, we're excited for you. And Kasha, I am grateful for this in every advice. Yay. We're grateful for you guys and we're,

Michelle (36:53):

You've had so much love.

Aimee (36:54):

Yeah, we're cheering for you. And I think too of, I guess to be super blunt, we're not bullshit artists. We actually believe you can do this. We totally believe this is doable. And we also are so spiritually connected. We also really believe that if there's a desire for a child, there's a child that wants to come through. And so it's about reconnecting. Not perfectly, but almost like enough to align the portal to open up and bring it through. Do you know what

Michelle (37:22):

I mean? 100%. Amy, I love you. I really do. I always loved your message and I always connected with you because I feel like this is why you're my mentor because I just feel like you get it, you get it, you see it, you get it, and you're connected too. And it is a spiritual thing for you. It's a calling for you. I love it. And that's the beauty. I think that that's why we're so drawn to Chinese medicine. The richness of what it can offer humanity is incredible. Yeah, agreed. It's incredible.

Aimee (37:54):

Agreed. I love that. Yeah. It's beyond fertility. It really is. And also, right, neither of us, I'll say it openly of like, I'm not in this for the positive pregnancy test. That's for you. And that's the cherry on top. I'm in this for you to be in your power to then be the mother that this child needs in this world.

Michelle (38:12):

Amen.

Aimee (38:13):

Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. I love it. What is this? Just waiting on my reup of Reva. Ps my acupuncturist said, these supplements going to give you Gucci brand love that I think I might steal. That's adorable. I might steal that. I might quote, that might go on the website. I

Michelle (38:34):

Mean, that is so good.

Aimee (38:36):

Literally, fertility pregnant at 40, active, and I most of you love, oh, look at this one. Did you see this? Fabi? I'm not going to say her. Fab. Fab if favorite fertility ladies. I'm pregnant at 46 and I credited to both your teachings. What? Woo. Oh my God. We love that. God, if you ever want to do a story of hope, we're here, we'll do one all together. That'd be fun. Gucci brand. Haha. Love it. I agree. Alright, so I think we can get this on Amazon and on your website, right?

Michelle (39:08):

Yep. And my website, if you go to my my page, my Instagram, on the first link, it says my link in bio, it actually has a website to the book. And if you guys want, there's a free chapter, you opt in. You can check that out.

Aimee (39:25):

Yeah, do the free chapter if it's a good fit. I love it. And then you have a lot of resources that go along with the book as well, right?

Michelle (39:36):

Correct. I do. I have resources. Lots of goodies. Oh,

Aimee (39:41):

I love it. I love it. So yeah, you guys check it out and I'll do this for you since it's not always comfortable doing it yourself. If you read this book and you love it, or you just love Michelle, go and leave an Amazon review for this book because it really helps her reach more people. Okay guys. So do that as a good solid to this woman because she gives you so much of herself all the time. So you can do this for her and it helps her. Yeah. Yes. It makes me want to cry you. I love you. But it's helpful. I love you ado. Love you too. I love you too. And I'm proud of you and I'm proud of this. And thank you for asking me to write the forward. That's,

Michelle (40:19):

It's an awesome, yes, of course. Who else would write it?

Aimee (40:23):

Aw, you're so sweet. Okay, so we're going to let everybody go by the book. We can't wait to hear how you love the book, and we can't wait to see your Amazon reviews. And yeah, I think it's a beautiful bedside read. I think it's really soft and warm and nourishing, so it's going to feel like a nice, not all these to-dos. It's more like, oh, that feels so, oh, I'm going to try that. It's more welcoming and I dunno, easy. I think it's an easy read.

Michelle (40:52):

Aw, thank you. You're

Aimee (40:54):

Welcome. Thank you. Okay, we're going to let you all go and I'm going to go make myself some nourishing lunch before my next call. I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay. Go eat. Let's not starve ourselves and we'll check in later. And you let me know how everything's gone with the book. Okay?

Michelle (41:09):

Yes.

Aimee (41:10):

Okay,

Michelle (41:10):

Kisses to everybody. Kisses to you, Amy.

Speaker 3 (41:13):

Awesome. Great. I love you. Bye.

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