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Amy:

Hi, how are you guys? I have a fun live for all of you. It's a live story of hope with someone you guys probably all follow and know her story, but it's really fun to be able to bring her live and share with all of you, all the things that she did differently for her 10th round of IVF and how it's brought a baby in the belly. I'm going to bring the lovely Alex on now. Let's do it. Let's do it. People are excited. I see it. Let's see. Hi.

Alex:

Hey, how are you, Amy?

Amy:

I'm good. How are you?

Alex:

Good. Doing well. Thank you so much for having me. This is great.

Amy:

Are you kidding me? I mean, I couldn't wait. I was bursting at the seams. Let's see. Just stand up and show us. Show us that belly. I love the pictures the other day. I was like come on.

Alex:

Let me see where I can-

Amy:

Trigger warning for all you guys. But I think this is a girl that you shouldn't get triggered by because man, have you been through the ringer?

Alex:

Let me do this and then I'm just going to sort of set you up.

Amy:

Prep you for a belly shop, but let's just see it.

Alex:

We're going to just situate you somewhere in my house. This is what we're looking at right here.

Amy:

Aw, that's amazing my love.

Alex:

Thank you.

Amy:

It's the best. I mean, I feel like a lot of your followers are probably watching right now and I feel like we have a lot of the same followers, but I still think it's always beautiful to, I don't know, share. How many weeks pregnant are you right now, lovely.

Alex:

17 as of yesterday.

Amy:

And how long have you been in this? How many years?

Alex:

Four and a half years.

Amy:

And you're a baby at… What are you, 32 or 33 now, right? Did you just have a birthday or no?

Alex:

Yes. Well, in June, so ish. So I'm 33 right now.

Amy:

Ish.

Alex:

I'll still be 33 when the little one is here.

Amy:

All right. I mean, know you've told your story a hundred thousand times, but maybe share some high level stuff with everyone of all the things you've done and gone through, and then we'll share, I feel like all the moving parts that brought you here.

Alex:

Yeah. Sounds great. So I'll do the spark note version because I wrote it out not too long ago and it was like 5,000 words and I'm like, “Oh my God, this is obscene.” I'm a high school band director, so we wanted to wait until after I had my master's finished. And so we started to try as soon as that was done. And we did. We started a couple months before that just to start like, “Okay, let's get in the swing of things.”

So we got pregnant the fourth month of trying and we were just so happy and all of our friends were pregnant. I was going to be the fourth one of my closest girlfriends to have a baby every other month, and it was great. So sadly we lost it at six weeks and we have no idea why. We waited for a little bit longer. We kept trying without help. And our doctor, my OB said everything looked like… All my numbers looked great, which they did. So she's like, “I don't see, I don't [inaudible 00:03:45] Yeah. So we kept trying and nothing happened. So then we went and we saw an RE and she was just the sweetest, absolute sweetest thing. We decided to just jump right into IVF. Being in Illinois, I'm very grateful to have really good coverage. [inaudible 00:04:07] I couldn't have done 10 rounds after [inaudible 00:04:11]

Amy:

For anyone. Right, yeah.

Alex:

Right, yeah. So we were [inaudible 00:04:17]

Amy:

Let alone the emotional toll. Let alone the emotional toll is insane.

Alex:

Yeah, seriously. So we went into this thinking that we would be one and done and all of our numbers looked great. And then right after the retrieval, the morning of, my RE called and said that none of my eggs are mature and I was completely blindsided. So it took us a few rounds. It was after our fifth round of IVF and we just had failure after failure. Our second and third rounds gave us normal embryos, just one a piece. But after a fifth round, we learned that I have a really bad egg quality issue. Smooth endoplasmic reticulum clusters. And it's like [inaudible 00:05:00]

Amy:

Basically, explain what it is, I guess.

Alex:

Yeah. So the way mine shows up is there's a bunch of vacuoles or bubbles in the eggs and that makes it really difficult for them to keep growing and to have enough energy to grow into an embryo. And on a cellular level, it has something to do with calcium. And I try to understand…

Amy:

It's like blockages. I remember when we first talked, in my head I was like, “I'm just going to kind of treat it like…” What did I say? I can't remember what I said, but these little plaques or something like that in my head of there's just these little bundles of plaques that are getting stuck in the eggs and just break things down, improve absorption. That was kind of the mental in my head. But just even when I did the research, I remember when you and I were about to meet and research, I was like, “It's kind of polycystic, but not because there's these little plaques inside the eggs.”

Alex:

Oh, yeah. So I mean, we really struggled to make blasts, let alone get our normal embryos. So we finally figured that out. There had been a stop on research. There's a huge gap in research because the ASRM said, “Hey, any of these eggs discard them. They're not worth it. It's not worth… They're just so bad.” So there's a huge gap in research, which is really frustrating for someone like me who's like [inaudible 00:06:28]. But it is what it is.

Amy:

You did some transfers and they didn't take, right? So it was like the only pregnancy you had was in that August 2018 and that was it.

Alex:

Yeah, exactly. So both of our transfers failed and we were absolutely devastated. So we kept trying more and more rounds and we decided we needed to switch clinics and we were just tired. I was processing donor egg with my therapist and we were feeling really good about it by the time the summer started and we were like, “Okay, we're ready.” So February of this year, we had a failed round after failed round. I decided, I'm like, okay. My husband had been done for a really long time and I was like, “Okay. This is our last round.” I knew I wanted to go just all in.

I'm so grateful to have had an opportunity to chat with you because you helped a lot with the PRP and all the stuff that we did for the 10th round. I know we can get into the details for that in a minute, but luckily we had 14 eggs mature, 14 fertilized. So something was working. We only have-

Amy:

Totally different results, like dramatically different results. And you basically did a very similar protocol to the protocol previous because that was your best round. Right? It was like you had five fertilized, but nothing, everything stopped at day three. Right?

Alex:

Exactly.

Amy:

So this time you had 14. You have 14. Retrieve 14 fertilized? Is that what you're saying?

Alex:

Yeah. And we had one who looked good on day three. The rest of them just didn't look good and were like, “All right, well this is our shot.” We did a fresh day three transfer because I was like [inaudible 00:08:21].

Amy:

That was what we insisted like we're not freezing. We're just putting it right back in.

Alex:

Yeah. I don't want to risk pushing it, not feeling comfortable with that because that just doesn't work for us, so let's just put it back in and hope the best and do in April. It's insane.

Amy:

I mean it's so amazing. This was your second or third clinic? Your second clinic, right?

Alex:

Second clinic. We had done a lot of second opinions with other doctors just to get their perspective because they're just like, “Do you know anything about SCRC? Have you seen patients like this?” ‘Cause my first RE hadn't had a ton of patients. I was really the first one with our clinic and most people hadn't, but they were adjacently aware to it or [inaudible 00:09:14]. So we interviewed this one RE and she said that she had plenty of experience with it, so we decided to go there and the rest is history.

Amy:

So tell everyone too, because it was like that cycle, the one that got you the 14 was still on a lower meds almost mini stem cycle, right?

Alex:

Yeah. And I have everything. I actually have my numbers filled up.

Amy:

Tell us the… ‘Cause girls love the data. They love to know what you were on.

Alex:

100%.

Amy:

This is your other job. You know this.

Alex:

I know right? Thank God for Instagram because that's how I document everything. It serves as a journal, so I'm able to go back and say like, “Okay, on exactly this day, we retrieve this many.” That's awesome. So anyway, for the retrieval for the meds, we had done omnitrope and we tried HCH or whatever and we tried it work for us and we're like, “We don't want to spend the thousands of dollars out of pocket for things like that. So just decided to cut it. So that was originally part of the plan and we nix it. I just had a hysteroscopy, so everything was like squeaky clean.

Amy:

I remember that.

Alex:

But we did 75 Gonal and 150 Menopur. We did stims for… It ended up being 11 days and we did an HCG trigger.

Amy:

And you did Menopur the whole time or did you start that later in the cycle? The whole time?

Alex:

I did it the whole time.

Amy:

And out of that they got 14. I mean, your AMH is high.

Alex:

Yes.

Amy:

So let's talk about what you did differently, and I guess too, I think the big things were the PRP. You did what, three rounds of PRP?

Alex:

Yep. ‘Cause I know we had talked about doing two rounds, maybe three but at my first round of PRP, the RE saw some adeno.

Amy:

That's right. This is what I remember. And then you went on the Lupron. That's right, yeah.

Alex:

Yeah. Put me on Lupron Depot. So that ended up pushing everything back by a month and-

Amy:

You just did Lupron for four weeks for the adeno?

Alex:

I did it for three months.

Amy:

You did it for three months. Yeah. I can't remember, sorry. Go ahead.

Alex:

Yeah. That's why we ended up doing a third round of PRP.

Amy:

Right. Because now we were delaying transfer, yes.

Alex:

Yeah, exactly. So we wanted to make sure that we did PRP the month before our retrieval so that-

Amy:

So everyone PRP is platelet-rich plasma and you draw blood from your arm and they centrifuge it to get your platelets, which basically have your growth factors and lots of juicy good stuff. It's a newer procedure. And then they put it in a syringe and they go in and they inject the platelet-rich plasma into your ovaries. And the idea is to improve ovarian function. But in Alex's case, even the idea of improving egg quality, that was really kind of what we were after. So you did it with your guy in Reno, right? What's his name again? With an F, Foulk?

Alex:

F-O-U-L-K, Dr. Foulk.

Amy:

Foulk, and then you came to New York and saw Dr. Murphy, right?

Alex:

Yep. So awesome. Just so awesome.

Amy:

And then during that time when you were doing the loop run, you did the egg quality diet basically, right? We put you on the diet. And you really did it. You were in it. I remember your food diaries and your things. And then we did Chinese herbs too, right? Didn't I put you on herbs?

Alex:

Yeah.

Amy:

Okay.

Alex:

The secret sauce was absolutely mixing it with the…

Amy:

Raw cacao.

Alex:

Yeah. The chocolate bone broth protein powder.

Amy:

Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right.

Alex:

Oh, I survived because it was like [inaudible 00:13:05]

Amy:

The secret sauce.

Alex:

My god. Yeah.

Amy:

That's good though. And then you're getting protein… Because I remember it was like you could do collagen or raw cacao, but you did the chocolate bone broth protein powder. So the tweaks that you and I made, if you will, was like… Let's see. I made you check your vitamin E and D for soy. I remember that you were on a prenatal with folic acid. I switched you to one with methyl folate.

Alex:

Yep.

Amy:

You were on melatonin. We kept that. We added in fish oil. We added in Wobenzym which is one of my favorite. I really thought about that for you of breaking up those plaques and I remember explaining that to you where it was like it's going to break up the inflammation and then the NMN, which is like the NAD or the NMN for the quality. We were going after that. Put you on liver pills. Trace minerals. Right? We did that for the thyroid. Did we do that or thyroxine? I have both written.

Alex:

We did thyroxine.

Amy:

Okay. And then castor oil packs regularly for those because you couldn't try. You were on the Lupron.

Alex:

Right.

Amy:

We did the herbs and then diet tweaks too because you were already eating healthy. But these are my original notes of make your coffee organic, add the collagen peptides and then because of your job, any of my teachers, any of my people in education, you guys, I feel so bad. You have the worst schedule of… You can't eat. Basically that's your job. You cannot eat and you can't have anything else at school. So we snuck in smoothies, broths, and powder. Right? The powdered, Dr. Cowan's. I have it written here, I don't know if you actually did that, but adding in the powdered vegetables, right?

Alex:

Yeah.

Amy:

When we met you said, “Not hungry enough for breakfast.” You weren't eating breakfast. And then… Let's see. You were doing a healthy autoimmune paleo dinner. That was your big thing. And then you had an insane sweet tooth. I remember that.

Alex:

Yeah. So I just added a little bit of organic dark chocolate.

Amy:

Did the trick. Right?

Alex:

Right. Yep. That's all I needed.

Amy:

And then, let's see. So then we went back and forth. I put you on 3000 milligrams of fish oil. Three tablets twice a day of the Wobenzym. Switch the prenatal, like I already said. We did the Thorne ResveraCel for the NMN. And then you had sent me labs. See what else I have here that we switched? Because your D was a 49, which I was happy with. I thought that was okay. I think we just kept on a maintenance dose. Your TSH was a 2.8. So I remember saying before transfer. Oh you froze. Yeah. Did we adjust Synthroid at all for transfer or no?

Alex:

Yeah. We-

Amy:

You can't remember?

Alex:

‘Cause we ended up bumping it up. I'm looking at my retrieval list right now and it originally said 75, but I've bumped it up to 112 Monday through Friday. And then 150 Saturday and Sunday. I mean we just kept testing it and I know it eventually got higher for transfer. We definitely increased that.

Amy:

Okay. And then I remember us talking May 4th. Adenomyosis diagnosis is so frustrating for her and she's like, “He saw a concave shape in my lining. Has it always been here? How did they miss this?” Because we were thinking about those normals that you transferred.

Alex:

Right.

Amy:

So it was almost like there was two issues. Right? It was like the quality issue, but then there was this underlying uterine issue that I don't think was really investigated as deeply as it could have been. However, I think… And that's another part of… I know you've shared the story, but for everybody to really hear of like, I think it was really twofold of going after egg quality, doing the hysteroscopy, which you had done.

Alex:

Yeah.

Amy:

But then getting someone looking in your uterus, it was like, this is adenomyosis. Even if we make good quality embryos, I don't know if they're going to stick. Right?

Alex:

Right.

Amy:

And so I think that's good for everyone listening with implantation failure challenges to really think about have you dug deep enough? Have you done a hysteroscopy? Has someone actually… And now a lot of docs are actually just like they're seeing implantation failure like maybe two or three transfers. They're going for the Lupron for either six weeks to two to three months. Kind of just depends on the doc. But I think that's a big takeaway. Right? And then you were also doing the Celluma red light. That's another thing to add in. And you were doing the acupressure mat.

Alex:

Yep.

Amy:

You were exercising. That was a big one.

Alex:

Yep.

Amy:

And I would also say, I was thinking about this, but obviously this is your story so you chime in. But I felt like, I remember just you being like, “This is our 10th and final shot at this and then we're moving to donor.” You'd been working with a therapist and I think you had resolve in that. There was almost that piece of surrender where it was like, “I'm okay. I've done everything I could possibly do and this is our Hail Mary round and we'll see how it goes. Right?

Alex:

Yes.

Amy:

I don't know. Speak to that piece emotionally 'cause having been through 10 rounds, I think you know the difference of how you felt round three or four versus nine and 10.

Alex:

Yeah. I'm a really tenacious person. I have a really hard time. I don't want to say I have a hard time giving up, but when I go in, I go all in. So it took a while for me. John got there pretty quickly. He's like, “This is okay. This isn't working. Let's not keep repeating the same thing.” But it took a while for me to process the potential loss of my genetics. It's different for everyone and I respect that. Some people totally feel more comfortable with that. Some people don't feel ever feel comfortable with that and that's fine. And everyone has their own path to walk on that front.

Amy:

There's a million ways. Well, there's a lot of ways. Maybe not a million, but there's a lot of ways to bring through a baby.

Alex:

Exactly. He's just like, “I just want to want to be a parent.” I'm like, “I do too. I want to feel at peace with whatever steps we choose to pursue.” I never looked at donor or adoption as like plan B because it's like plan A is to have a baby. Plan a is to be mom and dad.

Amy:

I like that.

Alex:

Right. Thank you. We finally got to that point and it's like, “You know what?” John's got a very soothing voice, so we got the book, Three Makes a Baby and he would read it to me every night and I'd fall asleep. So I don't remember how much I remember of that book, but there were so many beautiful stories about what families look like and what a family actually is. So it helped me realize that, “Hey, you know what, it doesn't matter what comes of this round. We're going to be parents one day and that's okay. This round happened to work and it's just unreal.

Amy:

Do you think in your heart of like, I don't know how big of a role I suppose that surrender piece played, if you will, of the success of this… I mean you worked your tail off. I'm not going to lie about that. You worked your tail off, even the diet. And I remember us checking in and you were like, “No, I'm in a rhythm. I got it. I'm doing all the things.” Not to give you credit for how much you got into it and your husband too.

Alex:

100%.

Amy:

You worked your tail off. You did. And I know the diet isn't easy. Obviously, I know that. [inaudible 00:20:52]

Alex:

That liver support soup, that was something special.

Amy:

But there all the time and I wear that. But I don't know. Emotionally, obviously, it's funny, I guess too, after I knew you had transferred, right? Did I know you had transferred? I knew you transferred 'cause you were updating everybody better days coming up. And then she goes radio silent. Even from me, guys, by the way, she's radio silent. I wasn't pushing you, right? I think I sent you one message that was like [inaudible 00:21:27].

Alex:

It was very sweet and I really appreciate it. That was really nice.

Amy:

I was just thinking about you. You don't even have to reply. But in my heart I might cry. I had this feeling. I was like, “She's fucking pregnant. I know she is,” because I felt like you would've been open about not being. I was stalking your page. I'm like, “No, in the past she always shared when it wasn't successful.” And it was like everybody who follows you probably all had the same feelings. But then you sent me that message on the backend of Instagram. It was on the DMs and it was like, “Oh my God.” And what were you, you had just had your eight week appointment I think it was?

Alex:

Yes.

Amy:

I don't know. In all of that, were you just… I guess what I want to try to boil down is were you so surrendered to like, “Okay, this baby is coming through one way or another and I'm okay with any of the ways.” When you got the positive, I mean, what was that first feeling like? I mean, I know you've been sharing stuff now on Instagram kind of retrospectively, but I don't know. Can you boil it down?

Alex:

You hit the nail on the head. We knew that we were going to be parents come hell or high water and it didn't matter how it happened. I was expecting this not to work. I mean we'd, we'd had so much bad news with our genetics, with my awful, awful ed quality that I was… The day before beta, we had contacted the donor bank. We had chosen a donor and we were like, “This is the one we want. Will she work for us?” Blah, blah, blah. And then she was like, “Yep, let me just talk to your RED and we can get the ball rolling. We were there.

Amy:

You were in it.

Alex:

Yep. So naturally when I took the test at home, I was shocked.

Amy:

That's a great video. [inaudible 00:23:26] That was so good. I was like bawling watching that. Oh my god. No. It's so brave. I've said this to you before, behind closed doors that I'm going to be emotional about it, but it's so brave you sharing your story the way you do and how vulnerable you've been.

Alex:

Thank you.

Amy:

I know how helpful it is to so many, but it is. It's really brave to put your heart out there like that. And you've helped so many. And then it's also just amazing to see, I don't know, the tenacity I think is the perfect word like fucking tenacious as hell of like, “Okay, round 10, here we go.” And you were just kind of like, yeah. It was almost just like, “Sure, Amy, I'll do whatever. Just tell me what to do.”

Alex:

Just tell me what to do, yes.

Amy:

Just tell me what to do. And so it was just like, okay. And then it was like, “Dr. Murphy, she's going to come to New York and do PRP.” And he's like, “All right, let's do it.”

Alex:

Let's do it. It was awesome.

Amy:

We're just doing this. We're just doing this. I don't know. It's just like… I don't know. I'm sure you put this into words already for your community, but I don't know, what are the words? I don't know. What do you feel was the final change for all of this? Or was it just staying the course? Is it that tenacity?

Alex:

I think it's a combination. I don't want to say that it's a… I mean, I don't know. Yeah, it's a combination.

Amy:

Well, everybody has their own… Everybody knows their own limits too and I think that's the big thing to point out. Not every woman has 10 rounds in her and not every woman has 10 rounds covered by insurance. So I think that's a huge piece of this. So not to make anyone feel guilty for not doing 10 rounds and Alex did and got her baby. It's not like that, but more that piece of like… I don't know. I think there's also that thing like when you know, you know and you were just like, “I got this last round in me and then this is it. I'm done. And so I'll give it all I got.” That was [inaudible 00:25:21].

Alex:

Yeah. And there was so much peace in knowing that we were doing kitchen sink for the last round. It was like, “Okay. We've literally done everything. There's nothing else that we could do to make this happen. It's going to be what it's going to be.” And John really did a great job of helping me process that along with my wonderful therapist. We were ready for whatever results. And we were always so excited for the future to be parents. We're immensely preparing for a longer story with donor egg. Just so much of it is just shock. We got lucky. It was hard work, good timing.

Amy:

I don't know. Luck is preparedness and opportunity meeting. So I actually think-

Alex:

Yeah. I think it's fair.

Amy:

… you prepared the shit out of yourself. I think you were very prepared on many levels. But I do. I think you checked all the boxes. You were prepared emotionally for whatever the outcome was and for next steps. And you prepared your body as you could have best physically. And then it was just like, “Okay, let's see. Let's see how this goes.” Right?

Alex:

Yes. Oh, absolutely. Just having that mindset of, “Okay, this is it.” I'm controlling absolutely everything. I cannot control my egg quality or I can't go back and fix it. All I can do is fix it for with what we now and post and hope to improve it.

Amy:

Well, and that's it too. Even for your diagnosis like the search, even for me, I remember researching it before we got on our call. Literally, I remember being… I'd never seen a case with that. And I was like, “Okay.” And it's so funny, I had this conversation earlier today with a physician friend of mine where I was like, “I don't know, I think I do my best work when I'm in my detective Chinese medicine hat.” And that's what I did with your case where I was like, “I'm fully Chinese medicine-ing this. I'm not even going to speak about a diagnosis. I'm just going to like she's got gunk in her system and we're going to clean it out. It was like, “She's got these plaques and let's try to figure that out. What can we do for these plaques? What can we do to break up?”

So almost for me it was thinking about cysts or fibroids. But the adeno fit too. I think that's a really big part of the case that fast forward had you moved to donor and no one had treated that adeno, I wonder. I wouldn't want you to have miscarried or have failed implantation. I think you would've looked deeper at the first or second transfer with the donor didn't work. But it's like to think about that though too. And I see that a lot. I just had someone miscarry a donor because not enough work was done on the front end of that work of that transfer. It's devastating. That's absolutely devastating. Right?

Alex:

Yeah.

Amy:

But the investment, the time, I mean, because it wasn't like she had plenty of a journey before she got to donor too. And then now to find like, “Oh, we missed this thing.” And so was it my egg quality. But now she's almost too old to go back in her own mind and life is different now. They're committed to the donor. But you see that too with you're pushed along of like, “Oh, it's just egg quality. It's just egg quality,” and no one really did deeper introspection into the uterine environment too, which is really important.

Alex:

Yeah, no kidding.

Amy:

And to not support that.

Alex:

Yep. Absolutely.

Amy:

And then did anything get to freeze or no? It was just this one lucky duck? Yeah. Oh my gosh.

Alex:

Just the one. With the 14 that had fertilized, the nurses called me. They're like, “Oh you're, you're going to have a ton to be able to freeze. You're no problem.” ‘Cause we were planning to transfer too.

Amy:

Yeah, I remember. You were going to transfer everything. Weren't you going to transfer everything? I remember at one point you said to me, “We're transferring everything we have like if we have how many day threes.”

Alex:

Yeah. Our goal was the two best ones and then freeze everything else. With day threes, it's just you don't know.

Amy:

[inaudible 00:29:26].

Alex:

We might as well try it. We found out the morning of transfer that only one made it to be able to be transferred. And we're like, “All right.” But we got there and we got to the clinic and they're like, “This is the top grade that we could possibly give an embryo.” It's already looks like a day four.

Amy:

Hatching, yeah.

Alex:

This thing is growing. Oh, yeah. I've had people say, “Do you wish you would have transferred on day three in the past?” I mean, hindsight is 2020. Absolutely. But I've never had… According to what the doctors said-

Amy:

Egg quality.

Alex:

Yeah. I've never had something that was this high quality because it's just… The pictures were beautiful and the doctors were thrilled. So it's like, “Hey, let's get this little fighter going.”

Amy:

I know.

Alex:

Oh my god.

Amy:

Needs a strong name, strong name. No pressure, but this is a spirit that's going to change the world.

Alex:

Oh my gosh. Yeah. This kid is really something.

Amy:

Fighter from the get go of just like… And you too. I think that's the beautiful part of it of like in your heart. I also think had you gone donor or anything like that, I still truly always believe that it's the spirit of the same child that comes through however you choose it. So it's just like… I don't know. The fight to get here is… It's courageous and so admirable and it's like… For you and John and the baby, just like your destiny. You're supposed to be together.

Alex:

Yeah, definitely.

Amy:

I love that. I love that. Well, I want to let you go and rest because you deserve that. But I don't know, any words of wisdom, I suppose now that you're 17 weeks pregnant with a healthy child.

Alex:

Yeah. Well, first of all, Amy, I'm so indebted to you. I'm so grateful for all of your support and the connections that you helped us with and all of your guidance, and just all of the love. You made this happen and we're so thankful for you. So thank you, thank you, thank you.

Amy:

You were just ready for that support to be called in. You know what I mean? I always think that we show up for each other when we need each other.

Alex:

Yeah. 100%. I think the thing that I learned through all of this, it's like, you will get through 100% of your worst days.

Amy:

Oh, I love that.

Alex:

The clock keeps ticking, but also I mean, you just-

Amy:

You have no choice.

Alex:

You just sort of do. You find a way to survive this and not every day is going to be a good day. Some days are really, really awful. But you get through it. Even if it doesn't always work out the way that you hope, you can survive this. Reminding myself of that has really helped get through some really dark times. For sure.

Amy:

Thank you. I can't wait to see… Just keep posting all the belly pics and sharing all those things. I love it, I love it, I love it.

Alex:

Thank you, Amy.

Amy:

Oh, you're welcome. Thank you.

Alex:

Awesome.

Amy:

We'll talk soon. Obviously, I'm here. Keep me posted on everything. Okay?

Alex:

Yeah, that sounds awesome.

Amy:

Okay.

Alex:

All right. Thanks, again.

Amy:

Bye-bye. Thank you.

Alex:

All right. Bye, Amy.

Amy:

Bye-bye.

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